he knew his weaknesses and limitations and wanted to make sure he didn’t use his power and knowledge to inflict pain or suffering. was he at many times a manipulative person? absolutely, but i don’t think that has to define him, he’s more complex than that. he was trying to save the magical world from falling under voldemort’s tyranny, and yea, sometimes that means you have to make sacrifices and choices you’d rather not make. i’m just saying it’s complicated, but i don’t believe for a single
believe for a single second that dumbledore wasn’t ultimately a good person. he spent most of his life advocating for the protection of magical people and beings, took the time to learn and understand other magical cultures and languages. kept an open mind whenever he could. made people feel like remus lupin feel like they were deserving of dignity and respect. and yea he was also fucked up, he was calculating and sometimes he made choices for other people that weren’t his to make, like by
weren’t his to make, like by lying to harry about the hallows and keeping vital information a secret because he was afraid harry would fail to give up his own life. he shouldn’t have done that, essentially he took away harry’s decision about ending his own life. but he, along with harry, ended up finally defeating voldemort. like why can’t you make fucked up choices and still not be a hero? or a good person? people are more complex than that i think sometimes people forget that.
sorry if that was long and dumb i just have a lot of feelings about dumbledore’s characterization and i hate when people try to make it seem so simple.
Hello anon! Okay so first and foremost I need to say this: when you criticize a character for the choices they make, it does not mean that you are saying they are not a hero. To be frank, Dumbledore is one of my favorite characters, but just because he is does not mean that I am not blind to some of the choices he made.
Dumbledore, as the leader of the resistance against Voldemort, had a lot on his plate. I can definitely agree with that. And the problem with war is, as cliche as it is, is that nothing is easy. Sacrifices will be made and people will be hurt because when you are in a position that is trying to get rid of one force (that is, as we can say fully, evil) then sometimes those decisions which are best over all will hurt the individuals. While we can admit that Dumbledore had to think a certain way to proceed, it is also important that we acknowledge who was hurt by those decisions. It’s simply not fair to pretend that no one got hurt
Dumbledore is almost a former blood-purist. He, much like many actual-real life people who actively try and reform their former racist ways OF COURSE will advocate and become a good ally for the minority… in this case, muggleborns and halfbloods and muggles (although muggles mostly without their knowledge… since they don’t know about the wizarding world).
Also please note that Dumbledore did not actually keep himself from positions of power. As I said before, he was the leader of the OotP AND he was headmaster at Hogwarts. That latter is incredibly powerful. What is probably more accurate is that Dumbledore stopped himself short of being put into positions of power in which he thought (probably rightfully) that it would go to his head. Dumbledore is right when he says he is brilliant and can make good conjunctures and hypotheses and he is also very charismatic.
But for his brilliance it’s very interesting that he did not think that being the Headmaster at Hogwarts was “too powerful”, as I think being the person students look up to the most especially in what appears to be the one time of their lives they are actively learning magic in a school environment, WITHIN the ages in which kids are absorbing the most is sort of kind of incredibly powerful.
The thing about the HP books is that they are full of foils—that is, parallels. I think Harry is a direct parallel of almost all of the major characters in the book; Ron, Hermione, Voldemort, Draco, Snape, even to some extent Sirius and Remus, among all the others that I didn’t mention. In this way, I think Dumbledore is paralleled nicely with Voldemort. Dumbledore is obviously on the side of the good, but Voldemort and Dumbledore are still both calculating, they still have an agenda, the main difference being of course that Voldemort is a genocidal maniac blood purist racist manic and arguably, Dumbledore at this point in his life is absolutely not.
With this in mind—is Dumbledore of the “good guys”? Yes. He is considered a hero? Absolutely. Does that mean that when people criticize aspects of him they are calling him two dimensional or simplifying his character? Absolutely not. I think understanding the complexity of the man and realizing that he is a flawed hero, as is Harry as are all of the characters in the series makes for a more compelling characterization.
Final thing to say: One of the big things in book seven that I feel people miss is that Harry learns that his mentor was basically not as perfect as he liked to think. He learned a lot of the messy detail and a lot of the terrible things that actually took place in Dumbledore’s childhood and young adulthood. In the end, Harry acknowledged these things but chose to forgive Dumbledore. I say that with Harry’s argument with Aberforth in DH in mind.
I took a trip down memory lane today, have a sketch of some gay wizards
ive been thinking about how
dumbledore’s queer infatuation textually made him weaker, was his downfall, whatever
snape’s het infatuation was the ~best part of him~ and true bravery :’)
#also snape’s het infatuation was fucking creepy and uh like. unwelcome #but still idealized #and dumbledore’s seemed p like welcome and ok? #but he just had bad taste in dudes i guess #so suddenly his attractions become his great achilles heel #vs snape’s super brave fetishization of the woman he slurred and got killed and whose son he abuses #k #hmmMMMMMmm
I would argue that Snape’s infatuation WASN’T the best part of him—in fact it makes him INHERENTLY weaker than Dumbledore ever was. Think about the part in DH when Dumbledore is /aware/ that Snape would willingly let James and Harry die if it meant that Lily survived. Think about how Lily /broke apart their friendship/ because she knew it was toxic and that they could never be.
I think people see Snape’s utter obsession with Lily Potter and give it a fetish-y feel; people LOVE to talk about it and to /love/ it and want someone to ~love them like snape~ which is utter bullshit.
For Dumbledore (and I honestly believe that she could have done more to… show that he was gay before, idk, the books finished) but I feel like Dumbledore’s character was a foil to Voldemort. In both their cases, love was their biggest downfall, but the difference is that Voldemort FAILS to understand love
Dumbledore, rather than reject love, grew to become it’s biggest advocate. He invests all of his energy into reminding his students and I would say even himself that love is a power that goes beyond what anyone understands. And ALL types of love, from familial love to friendship love… to romantic love. Instead, what he learned he learned about himself—that power and too much of it is his ultimate downfall.
And I agree with the tags—Dumbledore’s love for Grindelwald IS normal. it is okay, and it is for all intents and purposes a normal love. Then Grindelwald (like Snape) became toxic.. and like Lily, Dumbledore had to make that conscious decision to break away from Grindelwald—then, he spent his life trying to make up for the seriously disgusting thoughts he entertained when he was with Grindelwald (blood superiority and all that).
What makes Snape and Dumbledore different is that Snape ONLY “cared” (I’m using this lightly) about Lily. He doesn’t give a rats ass about Harry and that shows right into the end when he asks to see Harry’s (Lily’s eyes). Dumbledore strives to be a man who will care about everyone.. (he is called the muggleborns greatest supporter… but at the same time is able to try and reach out to Draco Malfoy to protect him from Voldemort).
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SAVE THE DATE GUYS!
- Reading/Watching Harry Potter BEFORE Deathly Hallows: Oh hey, cool a bunch of characters that I'm growing to love a lot.
- Reading/Watching Harry Potter AFTER Deathly Hallows: OH GOD NO NO NO DUMBLEDORE YOU FUCKER GET AWAY FROM THE TOWER
- SIRIUS NO NOT THE DRAPERY
- DOBBY YOU AREN'T MEANT FOR A KITCHEN KNIVESSS!!!
- HEDWIG STOP FLYING NOOOOOO
- FRED *SOBS HYSTERICALLY*
- Mom: O_O
- Me: oh merlin I love this series it's so healthy for me
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY. Gandalf Vs. Dumbledore! Who won? :D
In Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore tells Harry he knows how he must be feeling about Sirius.
Harry tells him that he does NOT know how it feels, because Sirius’ death was his (Harry’s) fault.
But in reality, Dumbledore DOES know how it feels. He could have killed his sister. He lives with that regret daily.
Harry and Dumbledore are a lot closer then they seem.